“I wouldn’t take Donald Trump’s word on the weather, let alone on an issue of such consequence as reproductive freedom.”
In the end, that’s the thing. I wouldn’t care if he said “I think abortion should be totally up to a person and their doctor” and I wouldn’t care. He’d “change his mind” the day after Election Day because—I don’t know, someone was “unfair” to him or something.
His statement has the “post-birth execution” lie right there in it. Why would anyone believe anything else he says after that?
Yes! He’s trying not to say anything definitive that can be used against him by talking in his usual word salad. He has been a blithering idiot since 2015 and has gotten even worse. 🤢
Here's one way they could have written the headline and had it be more accurate:
While Bragging He Killed Roe, Trump Now Claims Abortion Should Be Left Up To States, While His Campaign Confirms Trump Supports All Statewide Abortion Bans [Gift Link]
He's such a rambling mess I honestly wonder how anyone pulls out a sentence and says, "yes, this is what he's talking about. This is what he means." Like the passage where he says the thing they're all reporting is all over the place. Plus he was lying about people advocating for executing babies after they've been born in the sentence right before.
Not to mention all of the actual evidence about how he's been talking about abortion leading up to now. This is all so pull-your-hair-out frustrating.
If Trump’s lips are moving, he’s lying. Anyone who has been paying attention knows where this is going. Christian Nationalism will never allow states or individuals to make their own decisions.
I know this has been a question du jour for some time, but...how does the majority of legacy media or whatever we're calling it get it wrong every damned day? why can't they parse his easily parsed speech? how can they report "is" as "should"?
Trump's statement is full of outrageous lies, too many to note. but seeing him represent that the legal eagles across the political spectrum all wanted Roe reversed and his oft-repeated lie about imaginary women who carry till term, go through labor, then take one look at their baby and say, "well Doc, not feelin' it, kill it"...infuriating.
"will of the people" my a**.
Trump has managed to claim credit for killing Roe (for the forced birther MAGAs) and also to back away, hands up, saying hey, I'm like Reagan, I support exceptions (as if that's a huge concession, as if exceptions actually get women abortions when needed). he's the great man who freed the country from the 50-year hell that was Roe (all sides wanted this!), and now he wants only that we use our hearts and minds and faith (words he used ad nauseum) to do "what's right" for our families yadda yadda yadda.
you really have to be brain dead to report all this as Trump softening on abortion restrictions.
why is our political press flat-lining, brain dead? if all that matters is the view from nowhere, we've got a one-way ticket to hell.
I once read an article about how translators were struggling with whether to make Trump's statements coherent or somehow translate them complete with rambling and grammatical errors. It seems many US journalists aren't so much stenographers as translators translating Trump's word vomit into what they think the politician he should be would say.
yeah, right. "the Democrats are the radical ones on this position because they support abortion up to and even beyond the ninth month. The concept of having an abortion in the later months and even execution after birth, and that's exactly what it is."
So he is either flat out lying about Roe or he doesn't even know what the thing he is so proud of overturning even SAYS. Roe (+ Casey) only ruled up to viability. All else is up to the states. A state with a Eugenics attitude could pass a law that says "all folks below the poverty line MUST have an abortion no later than 9 months.
Hey, at least CNN followed it up with a Washington Examiner opinion entitled: "Opinion: In a post-Roe landscape, Trump’s abortion compromise has merit" (and the link to the article is "Opinion Why Trump made the right call on abortion")-- why do people still think CNN is a left or liberal media outlet?
An statement guaranteed to please no one. But his Christian-fascist supporters know as well as we do that he's a fucking liar, they know he'll sign whatever Republicans in Congress can put on his desk. Now, if YOU call him a liar, they'll be OUTRAGED but they're always saying, "Eh, he won't really follow through on that" which is saying the same thing.
Out of context, maybe you can construe the remarks the way most of the media did. Maybe. In full context, however, it's a clear exhortation for his supporters to vote in numbers to restrict access to abortion. He's not softening any stance.
Dunno what to do, obviously any time he's speaking on TV there should be below him in large block letters HE'S A FUCKING LIAR DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS because he is a fucking liar and we shouldn't believe anything he says. OTOH if there's anyone, at this point, who says, "Well, this Trump fellow seems to have some interesting ideas, let's give him a fair hearing!" I don't know what to do with someone like that except to say they shouldn't be left alone with sharp objects.
I guess what I'm saying is women who don't want to be fundamentalist-Christian brood sows probably aren't going to be fooled no matter what the wording of the headline.
“I wouldn’t take Donald Trump’s word on the weather, let alone on an issue of such consequence as reproductive freedom.”
In the end, that’s the thing. I wouldn’t care if he said “I think abortion should be totally up to a person and their doctor” and I wouldn’t care. He’d “change his mind” the day after Election Day because—I don’t know, someone was “unfair” to him or something.
His statement has the “post-birth execution” lie right there in it. Why would anyone believe anything else he says after that?
Yes! He’s trying not to say anything definitive that can be used against him by talking in his usual word salad. He has been a blithering idiot since 2015 and has gotten even worse. 🤢
Here's one way they could have written the headline and had it be more accurate:
While Bragging He Killed Roe, Trump Now Claims Abortion Should Be Left Up To States, While His Campaign Confirms Trump Supports All Statewide Abortion Bans [Gift Link]
https://wapo.st/4aLFzP7
He's such a rambling mess I honestly wonder how anyone pulls out a sentence and says, "yes, this is what he's talking about. This is what he means." Like the passage where he says the thing they're all reporting is all over the place. Plus he was lying about people advocating for executing babies after they've been born in the sentence right before.
Not to mention all of the actual evidence about how he's been talking about abortion leading up to now. This is all so pull-your-hair-out frustrating.
If Trump’s lips are moving, he’s lying. Anyone who has been paying attention knows where this is going. Christian Nationalism will never allow states or individuals to make their own decisions.
I know this has been a question du jour for some time, but...how does the majority of legacy media or whatever we're calling it get it wrong every damned day? why can't they parse his easily parsed speech? how can they report "is" as "should"?
Trump's statement is full of outrageous lies, too many to note. but seeing him represent that the legal eagles across the political spectrum all wanted Roe reversed and his oft-repeated lie about imaginary women who carry till term, go through labor, then take one look at their baby and say, "well Doc, not feelin' it, kill it"...infuriating.
"will of the people" my a**.
Trump has managed to claim credit for killing Roe (for the forced birther MAGAs) and also to back away, hands up, saying hey, I'm like Reagan, I support exceptions (as if that's a huge concession, as if exceptions actually get women abortions when needed). he's the great man who freed the country from the 50-year hell that was Roe (all sides wanted this!), and now he wants only that we use our hearts and minds and faith (words he used ad nauseum) to do "what's right" for our families yadda yadda yadda.
you really have to be brain dead to report all this as Trump softening on abortion restrictions.
why is our political press flat-lining, brain dead? if all that matters is the view from nowhere, we've got a one-way ticket to hell.
"We have too many stenographers and too few truth-tellers."
Except, as your excellent reporting shows, they can't even do stenography right.
I once read an article about how translators were struggling with whether to make Trump's statements coherent or somehow translate them complete with rambling and grammatical errors. It seems many US journalists aren't so much stenographers as translators translating Trump's word vomit into what they think the politician he should be would say.
"Trump issues strong statement on immigration."
yeah, right. "the Democrats are the radical ones on this position because they support abortion up to and even beyond the ninth month. The concept of having an abortion in the later months and even execution after birth, and that's exactly what it is."
So he is either flat out lying about Roe or he doesn't even know what the thing he is so proud of overturning even SAYS. Roe (+ Casey) only ruled up to viability. All else is up to the states. A state with a Eugenics attitude could pass a law that says "all folks below the poverty line MUST have an abortion no later than 9 months.
CNN headline: "Trump clarifies stance on abortion" and then CNN updated it to "Trump makes his stance on abortion clear." Nope.
Slate is actually a lot better: "Trump Announces New Abortion Position of Not Wanting to Really Take a Position on Abortion."
But in the end it is all really just about keeping everything he says in the news, every single day.
Hey, at least CNN followed it up with a Washington Examiner opinion entitled: "Opinion: In a post-Roe landscape, Trump’s abortion compromise has merit" (and the link to the article is "Opinion Why Trump made the right call on abortion")-- why do people still think CNN is a left or liberal media outlet?
Nobody BELIEVES that but many right-wingers SAY it.
Whatever might get the forced-birth loons to stop voting for him, is okay with me.
An statement guaranteed to please no one. But his Christian-fascist supporters know as well as we do that he's a fucking liar, they know he'll sign whatever Republicans in Congress can put on his desk. Now, if YOU call him a liar, they'll be OUTRAGED but they're always saying, "Eh, he won't really follow through on that" which is saying the same thing.
Whatever the situation, Syphilis HAS to be in the spotlight .
NBC et al are not going to change. The DNC needs to step up with massive paid media.
Out of context, maybe you can construe the remarks the way most of the media did. Maybe. In full context, however, it's a clear exhortation for his supporters to vote in numbers to restrict access to abortion. He's not softening any stance.
Dunno what to do, obviously any time he's speaking on TV there should be below him in large block letters HE'S A FUCKING LIAR DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS because he is a fucking liar and we shouldn't believe anything he says. OTOH if there's anyone, at this point, who says, "Well, this Trump fellow seems to have some interesting ideas, let's give him a fair hearing!" I don't know what to do with someone like that except to say they shouldn't be left alone with sharp objects.
I guess what I'm saying is women who don't want to be fundamentalist-Christian brood sows probably aren't going to be fooled no matter what the wording of the headline.